It's okay to have strong emotions, it's expression of your emotions that can be good or bad. If you express yourself in a not good way, it's going to cause problems. If you suppress your emotions, you're doing yourself a disservice
1:35 PM
I don't think it's a bad thing tulpamancers are invested in this discussion. While I don't think people are always good about how they share their opinion, I don't want the solution to be you can't be emotionally invested in this. That would just make tulpamancy not fun and boring
I think emotional self-harm is caused by an unhealthy expression of sadness, anger, and depression. Negative self-talk can drag you down, having outbursts doesn't help and can create even more stress.
It can be really important to accept you have strong feelings for something. If you feel burnt out from your job, I think it would be better to address the core issue than to try and deny your burnout. Why not get another job or work out how to get a rude coworker to stop being rude?
Why is it always the people at the bottom of the pile I see simping for capitalism
3:40 PM
Like philosophies, they all have their flaws so you wind up needing to combine them the right way. Unlike philosophy, it's not just up to you and so you have to rely on large numbers of people cooperating to get the balance right which... lulz.
I have some thoughts about how physical health affects tulpamancy. They might be obvious though, I dunno. It's just things I've been noticing with my own self in regards to my own inner world.
I wouldn't be surprised. Maintaining health leads to greater energy in general, and you need that energy to put into tulpamancy.
11:30 PM
I don't eat poorly, and my work isn't sedentary it's heavily active, but I haven't exercised for years, and frankly I prefer to give my time to my actual hobbies.
11:31 PM
I don't know how it is for other people though, since I have ADHD, and the one benefit of that condition is extreme obsessive ability to focus on things that you want to focus on (offset by inability to focus on others).
11:32 PM
I do notice variances in my ability though, caused by tiredness among other things.
Well... I'd put it differently. You can certainly have an inability to focus things you want to or the disorder wouldn't be an issue. But I'm not sure how to better word it. What the brain finds rewarding, maybe.
Exactly. While I don't at all suppose my own lifestyle is mandatory for others to maintain their desired connections upstairs, I think that maybe, it'd still help them. I'm something of a health nut and have more than just a layman's understanding of things. It seems logical to me that if you're doing things and/or taking things that increase available energy to the brain then your tulpamancing would be improved.
11:34 PM
Like, I'm super curious to see how much an improvement someone would have if they even so much as regularly took creatine. It's super cheap and super helpful.
11:36 PM
Or supplemented things that promoted neurogenesis.
My first day with my tulpa
Today was a jam filled day so I didn't have that much time to spend with my tulpa but I did have some. I spent 15 minutes talking to my Tulpa (which I named gregory) and just talked about anything from my interests,to if I like cats or dogs, my zodiac sign, etc. etc. In the middle of our conversation felt a bit lightheaded but I thought not too much of it. Also I remember saying "SO guess what happened today?" and I heard a voice saying"What? WHAT? TELL ME PLEASE!!!". That was all I heard though from our conversation. At the end of our convo I seen gregory as a yellow ball instead of the human form I gave him. One thing I do have to mention is that I had a lot of trouble imaging gregory's face. It was a bit of a struggle to keep the same face maintained during the whole convo but I tried my best. After our convo a little while later I had to take a bath. While I was getting my clothes I heard somebody humming to my right. But when I looked the humming stopped. When I was in the bathroom I heard someone say "So Grace you're in the bathroom right?". Last thing I heard was while in the middle of my bath I heard "Who is this Inazuma person?" (Btw Inazuma is a nation in genshin impact. A game I really like. ) After I got out the tub and gotten dressed I had the slight pain on my left side of my head. While I am writing this I still feel it. Idk if it's a headache or just some random pain but it feels like a weight on the left side of my head. Idk if the voices I heard was accidently parroting or gregory talking but hopefully tomorrow I can spend more time with him the 15 minutes. I was thinking 30 minutes or an hour hopefully. But anygays that's my first day. See ya.
jupiter
My first day with my tulpa
Today was a jam filled day so I didn't have that much time to spend with my tulpa but I did have some. I spent 15 minutes talking to my Tulpa (which I named gregory) and just talked about anything from my interests,to if I like cats or dogs, my zodiac sign, etc. etc. In the middle of our conversation felt a bit lightheaded but I thought not too much of it. Also I remember saying "SO guess what happened today?" and I heard a voice saying"What? WHAT? TELL ME PLEASE!!!". That was all I heard though from our conversation. At the end of our convo I seen gregory as a yellow ball instead of the human form I gave him. One thing I do have to mention is that I had a lot of trouble imaging gregory's face. It was a bit of a struggle to keep the same face maintained during the whole convo but I tried my best. After our convo a little while later I had to take a bath. While I was getting my clothes I heard somebody humming to my right. But when I looked the humming stopped. When I was in the bathroom I heard someone say "So Grace you're in the bathroom right?". Last thing I heard was while in the middle of my bath I heard "Who is this Inazuma person?" (Btw Inazuma is a nation in genshin impact. A game I really like. ) After I got out the tub and gotten dressed I had the slight pain on my left side of my head. While I am writing this I still feel it. Idk if it's a headache or just some random pain but it feels like a weight on the left side of my head. Idk if the voices I heard was accidently parroting or gregory talking but hopefully tomorrow I can spend more time with him the 15 minutes. I was thinking 30 minutes or an hour hopefully. But anygays that's my first day. See ya.
awh, that sounds awesome, especially for a first day! Don't worry about his face, those were the hardest part to visualise for me as well. He'll fill it in himself
jupiter
My first day with my tulpa
Today was a jam filled day so I didn't have that much time to spend with my tulpa but I did have some. I spent 15 minutes talking to my Tulpa (which I named gregory) and just talked about anything from my interests,to if I like cats or dogs, my zodiac sign, etc. etc. In the middle of our conversation felt a bit lightheaded but I thought not too much of it. Also I remember saying "SO guess what happened today?" and I heard a voice saying"What? WHAT? TELL ME PLEASE!!!". That was all I heard though from our conversation. At the end of our convo I seen gregory as a yellow ball instead of the human form I gave him. One thing I do have to mention is that I had a lot of trouble imaging gregory's face. It was a bit of a struggle to keep the same face maintained during the whole convo but I tried my best. After our convo a little while later I had to take a bath. While I was getting my clothes I heard somebody humming to my right. But when I looked the humming stopped. When I was in the bathroom I heard someone say "So Grace you're in the bathroom right?". Last thing I heard was while in the middle of my bath I heard "Who is this Inazuma person?" (Btw Inazuma is a nation in genshin impact. A game I really like. ) After I got out the tub and gotten dressed I had the slight pain on my left side of my head. While I am writing this I still feel it. Idk if it's a headache or just some random pain but it feels like a weight on the left side of my head. Idk if the voices I heard was accidently parroting or gregory talking but hopefully tomorrow I can spend more time with him the 15 minutes. I was thinking 30 minutes or an hour hopefully. But anygays that's my first day. See ya.
It sounds like... a very weirdly high amount of progress for 1 day. Do you suffer from any previous mental disorder? That whole hearing things and in the bathroom seems really sussy' tbh
I heard that some systems even learned to use head pressure as a communication system
Fazzie
It sounds like... a very weirdly high amount of progress for 1 day. Do you suffer from any previous mental disorder? That whole hearing things and in the bathroom seems really sussy' tbh
I used to have OSDD-1b but I got treated and is now a singlet
12:12 AM
Fazzie
It sounds like... a very weirdly high amount of progress for 1 day. Do you suffer from any previous mental disorder? That whole hearing things and in the bathroom seems really sussy' tbh
Well, I am. For me there seems to be a strong correlation between the activity of my inner world with how well I maintain my physical health.
This is very true for us, so true it's a little scary too.
I tried an anti-depressant once and for whatever reason I had a bad reaction to the drug. The symptoms started out subtle but got progressively worse. I had a hard time talking to my headmates, my mind's eye was effected, and then things got weird. My wonderland has some specific symbolism, and normal symbolism behavior changed. It was this, my Sub. Rep. telling me the drug was poison, and the other physical symptoms I had that including pain and wanting to slur words is what eventually convinced me to stop. After stopping, there was a big "release" and things in wonderland went back to normal.
Otherwise, our in-system experiences are reflected by our mental health. If I'm struggling with anxiety a lot, sometimes the wonderland will "glitch out". When we were really depressed back in 2020, it was hard for me to hear my headmates or visualize stuff. If we're strained, sometimes our symbol servitors will appear damaged or broken.
The time I had a concussion was a weird exception, internally things were relatively normal iirc. Mostly it was obvious something was wrong because we acted weird.
I think the only other interesting reaction is melatonin for us. For whatever reason, it makes anyone in the back super tired to the point of going inactive but switched-in I was just tired and restless. I don't like being by myself being unable to talk to my headmates.(edited)
2:10 PM
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Oh you said physical health, not mental health. I managed to cover that too I guess?
2:14 PM
Double checking the log I wrote on our concussion, I mentioned brain fog was a problem and the only thing that seemed unusual in wonderland was our Sub. Rep. acting weirdly.
One would think a brain issue would have wonderland symbolism, but I guess the body and mind is just way more complicated
2:18 PM
Then again that's just us, other people could have different experiences.
Having weird symbolism and observing changes in wonderland is pretty cool.
I didn't tell my doctor about the wonderland symbolism, and I didn't want to say "My headmate thinks this is poison". I told them "my voice of reason is freaking out"
mind is not that complicated if you have simpler approach
This is true, but so far I have found embracing my symbolism for what it is has helped me more. This could change for the future, but for now I think disregarding my symbolism has done more harm then good
i wonder if embracing symbolism deepens the potential issues it symbolises. synapses that spark together build stronger connections, that's basics of neurology. if you associate a state with a symbol, then symbol is associated with the state as well. if you build a habit of using a symbol, you might be mistaking symbol causing a state with symbol telling you about the state you are in. to you those two would look indistinguishable.
it's not an issue if symbolism is good of course, but if you put too much emphasis on symbolism in general it might become a habit of building bad symbolism as well
2:27 PM
in the past i went way to deep into symbolism. i thought i was helping myself. it was hard to get rid of them, but as soon as i managed to do it, the brain just started doing what is best in - adapting and healing - without the distractions. if you provide symbolism, it just becomes better in symbolism, from my experience at least
it's true that my symbolism and a state can be one, but it's more like a symbol is representing a feeling.
I have this black ink stuff that represents anxiety, all it's telling me is I'm feeling anxious. I have a beaker meter that rises and falls, if I'm really stressed it overflows. When I see this, I try to focus on what is the thing that's making me anxious. Trying to mess with the ink water translates to some kind of thought suppression, it's better to figure out what I'm anxious about and fix that. Then, there's less black ink stuff
Any excuse is better than the truth 99% of the time
2:37 PM
I would be genuinely surprised if my doctor started suspecting I had DID. I think in general, that's the last conclusion people come to. If they do come to that conclusion, that tells you a lot about them
you just observe what happens to your body during certain states, is it squeezing of your chest that you feel when you are anxious, or tense shoulders? and then you just notice that, and focus on relaxing the muscles. it works much better than symbolism
2:40 PM
in my opinion good therapist will not even give you diagnosis
2:40 PM
they will just help you with the things you experience, not with what the book says
2:42 PM
and if they tell you what they expect what you have, you will read about it on the internet, and start matching the book subconsciously(edited)
2:42 PM
i can't think of anything worse for your treatment than identifying with your mental health disorder(edited)
I don't know. Either symbolism works better for me or I'm not ready to reject it yet. I have denied myself a lot by not paying attention to my symbolism
